<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV>Dear committee-D members,</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>Here is the current Affero clause text from the GPLv3 Last Call:<DIV>...</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px;">13. Use with the GNU Affero General Public License.</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px;">Notwithstanding any other provision of this License, you have permission to link any covered work with a work licensed under version 3 (or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation) of the GNU Affero General Public License, and to convey the resulting combination. The terms of this License will continue to apply to your covered work but will not apply to the work with which it is linked, which will remain governed by the GNU Affero General Public License.</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px;">...</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-size: 20px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-size: 20px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;">it is very nice that the clause is mentioning a "any later version", as it will give an opportunity to FSF to fix, update or extenbd the Affero without creating a new version of GNU GPL.</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-size: 20px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-size: 20px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;">Why is it mentioning a version 3?</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-size: 20px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;">What happened to 2? Is 2 going to be a drafty version to pass around in order to make v3 really kickass? That would be a nice move I think.</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-size: 20px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-size: 20px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;">I still think though that 3 problems are stil unaddressed by this license:</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-size: 20px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;">1. For its application to privacy-sensitive telematic applications, there is no way for the user to verify that the software they are downloading from the provided link is the software that is running there and then.</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-size: 20px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;">2. It may be a good idea to allow Affero GPLv3 derivatives developers to restrict the freedom to create further derivatives for, say, 6 months, or 12 months. That would enable clients and software visionaries to safely invest substantial funds in a new software idea, knowing that they can maintain a bit of competitive advantage for a while. Of course, all users would have from day 1 the ability to download and see all code.</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-size: 20px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;">3. Even if the user downloads the code of the Affero GPL application, they still do not have the right (nor the means of course) to download all other software running on the same machine or in the machines where a database or webserver or anything else is running. The user does not have the right (nor the means) to download code that may, in many circumstances, intereact with the Affero GPLed code at run time.</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-size: 20px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-size: 20px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;">We try to address all three of these problems not through a license, but through a <A href="http://www.do2gether.org/license-download">Code Access Policies and Download Agreements</A>. Maybe some inspiration could come from it on how to have AGPLv3 address those problems.</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-size: 20px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-size: 20px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;">PS</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-size: 20px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;">Shouldn't we be organizing so that future versions of of the GNU GPL and Affero GPL be defined by "democratically"-elected software freedom seekers and licensing experts? I believe so, but only if such election happens on a striclty one-FLOSS-use one-vote.</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-size: 20px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-size: 20px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;">Cheers,</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-size: 20px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-size: 20px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;">If you are near Rome on June 9th, come and talk about this stuff with at:</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; 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